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    Default Conceptual photography

    I'm not sure this is the right platform for my thousand words. perhaps a pic would have done the job as well, or better? But anyway, pulled this off of my blog site.

    (copyright Wolf Avni)

    "Ordinary people do ordinary things in ordinary ways...
    Extra-ordinary people do ordinary things in extraordinary ways..."

    Conceptual photography?
    Now there is an interesting term with more elastic in it than anything this side of the world’s highest bungi-jump. ! It sounds larny, but what does it mean - if anything? What separates your ordinary, everyday-brilliant photographer with a good eye, who, just moving through life, spots these incredible things and with no fuss or bother, lines them up in the frame and squeezes the shutter, to any other kind of photographer? There are 100 million sod-suckers out there armed with everything from cell phones to Sinars, who all see themselves as creative genius’ (and have at least a couple of pics to prove it). Why should they be any less exalted than say, you or I?

    Well, the answer of course is that they are not, nor should they be. The digital revolution brings Andy Warhol’s old adage a great deal closer to reality. He said; "In the future everybody will be famous for exactly 5 minutes!". His point was that the difference between Joe Soap and anybody famous was just in the degree of exposure or publicity that they managed to garner in a public eye, or the mass media, . The means and the technology by which anyone might produce great images has truly become house-hold: everyday a little more accessible to everybody. Just on the law of averages; more people with more cameras in more everyday situations results in more images, a percentage of which rise above the background noise.

    There are so many levels and dimensions by which a photographer might define themselves. It is the art of our age and it goes by the name of specialisation. Everybody can be an expert within one or other narrow definition. If you are any good, if you have even the least shred of the most superficial talent, you could be any kind of photographer you like; wedding, portrait, studio, product, wildlife, underwater, aerial, archival, news, soft-feature, hard-feature, fashion, architectural, glamour, PR, sport, adventure, travel and so on and so forth - limited only by your own imagination.

    So, for professional photography, the question becomes is there a life after Digital?
    I say a resounding YES, now more so than ever. I speak as an ex pro, who these days spends most of my time between breeding trout, putting on song-and-dance routines for recreational anglers, and publishing books about it and a great deal else, besides. But that is another story and the moment I speak of here hearkens back to a time when, in a previous life, I worked very hard and with a certain degree of success at professional image creation. My client list included many of the biggest buyers of top end (big budget) imagery. Corporate boardrooms and advertising agencies were my everyday stomping grounds, where I spent long decades producing and selling imagery at such a rate as eventually to become overwhelmed at the monotony of it all. It began to bore me, and I, no less began to bore it. The time came to get out and re-invent myself. It began long before that, though. It began when I was about 19 years old, trying to busk a living from behind a camera, qualified for nothing, with no resources other than an abundance of unmitigated nerve and a particular talent for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

    What has any of that to do with conceptual, as opposed to any other kind of photography ? Well it does give me a particular perspective and for what it is worth, I share it for free (they’re all just labels of convenience, anyway).

    Let me explain. Fundamentally there are two distinct types of photographer. Firstly there are those who just have to take photographs. Some are better at it than others; they have an eye for a picture and may, to one or other degree, be inspired to capture the fleetest of moments within any dimension of the human experience. The really good ones attain a basic standard and quality of production that goes way beyond the odd lucky image. As individuals , the ‘reportage style’ photographer has to bring a unique blend of skills and insights into their interaction with the environment that is their canvas. More than one formidable reputation has been crafted off this platform.

    But then there is another type of photographer entirely; the conceptual photographer. Their aim is to produce images of pictures that exist only in the mind. The only limits to the pictures that come from this realm are the constraints created by the combination of imagination, budget and deadline ( and Photoshop makes of it a whole new ball game). While he/she may have started out as just another shutterbug with a good eye and a certain amount of inspiration, the conceptual photographer eventually tires of all the wonderful pictures out there just waiting to be taken. They dream higher and reach further, Not content with the world as they find it, or all of the magic and bounty of its nature, and its displays, they push beyond that boundary. These are not TAKERS of fine pictures, but something more; they aspire to become MAKERS of fine pictures. They want to capture images, not of things that on their own exist, but of visual contexts that don’t actually exist, except in the mind of their creator. In this dimension, photographic technique is merely a small part of the toolbox that is used to create images that are larger than life. This is where images are produced first in the mind, where they might be seen most clearly with the eyes closed. Some call it creative photography, but to me, all photography is creative. And so I prefer the term Conceptual photographer.

    Let us say that you are the client and I am the CP; you come to me with a brief. You want a picture of your 92 year old grandmother on a pair of trick-ski’s, being pulled by a Gary-glitter bass-buster outboard motor boat..... in a cup of coffee... with 2 little twirls of steam rising (just so) from the edge of the centrifuge of the just-stirred coffee. YOU GOTTA CLOSE YOUR EYES BEFORE YOU CAN EVEN SEE IT. Well, as the consummate pro, I of course only have 2 questions for you, Mr Client. They are;
    1. What is the budget?
    2. When is the deadline?

    Everything will flow from that. In producing the image there is no such thing as the right or the best way. Every conceptual photographer would approach the brief from a unique and particular perspective, with different strengths and different limitations. The conceptual photographer has to be a great deal more than a lighting technician or a cameraman. He needs all that, but in addition, he must be something of a set-builder, a stylist, a model-builder, a project manager, a resource administrator and a great deal else. Above all the conceptual photographer must be a realist, for it is in the real world that the imagination must be turned into a visual reality - perhaps in existence for just the nanosecond that it takes to record the image of it. You may spend 3 days or more setting up and then take the pic in a 250th sec., or whatever. The image and it’s set get dismantled and it is as if it had never existed... except in the picture itself; . It places the Art of the photographic within an entirely different realm.
    I could ferret on for another couple of thousand words, but the chances are if you don’t get it yet, you probably never will... and i should probably not be wasting your precious time or my precious breath. Cappiche?

    I forgot to say; we get so wrapped up in the imagery itself, that sometimes we forget that fundamentally, the client is not so much buying a picture, as the photographer themselves... and not so much the photographer, as the photographers BELIEF in THEMSELVES and their supreme ability to deliver WHAT THE CLIENT WANTS (or thinks they want).
    He must have communication skills, not just through the camera, but also on both sides of it.
    Last edited by Surly Ghillie; 16-04-2009 at 08:30 AM. Reason: the devil makes me do it!!

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    The one thing I missed on the previous website I frequented until middle last year, was your mumblings.

    Welcome to ODP! Here are quiet a few more mumblers who will entertain you.
    Visit my website at www.lieselkershoff.com

    "For me, some of the best photos are those that blur the lines between picture and painting. Often subject matter the most simple, almost mundane, becomes sublime." - Surly Ghillie



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    Nice musing here with my cup of coffee in the morning.
    I like to term it vision. dreaming up an image long before you actually get to it and having the passion to get it and work for it.
    In my mind conceptual photography is that which the stock agencies want. An image that makes the viewer imaging/think/dream more...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liesel View Post
    The one thing I missed on the previous website I frequented until middle last year, was your mumblings.

    Welcome to ODP! Here are quiet a few more mumblers who will entertain you.
    Hi Liesel.
    flattery will get you everywhere.

    I did wonder where you had got to, though. Thanks for the welcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surly Ghillie View Post
    Hi Liesel.
    flattery will get you everywhere.
    Visit my website at www.lieselkershoff.com

    "For me, some of the best photos are those that blur the lines between picture and painting. Often subject matter the most simple, almost mundane, becomes sublime." - Surly Ghillie



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    Be advised that this is a public poll: other users can see the choice(s) you selected.
    And you recon the guys will give honest opinions .... ye right

    A couple of very interesting points for me personally and for that I am thankful.
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    Which ever spot that may be. A lot of gray is unaccounted for.

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    Good to see you here Mr Avni. Good to read this again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shakes View Post
    Which ever spot that may be. A lot of gray is unaccounted for.
    Ah... it's like breath of fresh air.... someone else out there with a well-developed sense of the absurd. Yay. I'm not alone!
    Last edited by Surly Ghillie; 16-04-2009 at 12:33 PM. Reason: the devil made me do it

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    Well I like fishing for trout and am an ecologist so it all makes perfect sense expressed in dollars and cents, pounds, shillings and pence.

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    Hi again Wolf,
    I read some of your earlier musings on the other site,
    Your writing style is highly entertaining, and thought provoking.
    Great to see some things never change!

    ...now I must get the heck off this line!

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    NM I thought you and SG will find one another - only a question of time - since I KNOW you like decent well written posts

    and SG - yay - you are definitely not alone - many of us here
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    Fantastic read!! Love how you write, thanks for sharing.
    We are but reflections of a world we've seen
    Living in the shadows of the world we dream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elsahoffmann View Post
    I KNOW you like decent well written posts
    Where do you get that classified information,
    and what happened to you...
    did you run dry of popcorn

    I've stopped cooking for a moment,
    but I'm sure an opportunity will pop up again sometime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shakes View Post
    Well I like fishing for trout and am an ecologist so it all makes perfect sense expressed in dollars and cents, pounds, shillings and pence.
    Roger Waters fan! hello. Enjoyed post 1 too

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